now you better not post sharing related matierial of these labels as KOMPAKT, GET PHYSICAL, BPITCH CONTROL, M_NUS, FABRIC, COCOON, VAKANT …
as we all known, there’re huge amount of this kind of sites, but w-ki.com seems to be the one to be blamed.
yes now, we have pressures. “what the fuck..?” they asked.
to all unknown authors
2008-01-29 (+0)
OH, My God … Fuck Me …
“what the fuck..?” they asked.
lol
they should do their business. we do our ….
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what a crap….i thought only “major” commercial labels go after p2p-ppl…they won’t earn much anyway with their limited copies they throw out….bah….it’s not “madonna” or crap like that….
fuck that.
thing is though i wouldn’t have sought out or found the music here, now i know about the label and if i like the artist i go buy the album from bleep or similar. free advertising i call it.
i buy all my vinyls….i don’t like that .mp3 crap…u have nothing in your hand…i wonder how many ppl buy their stuff after prelistening here…just fuck your own customers riaa….:-((((
je je je
money is money, …. all is money
yessss :-]
respect to those who still support the vinyl versions. i purchase as much as i can afford on vinyl. unfortunately these days a lot of cd and 12″ distributors are going under…how long will vinyl stay around?
Billige Bauernlabels
its okay
techno is getting more and more popmusic because of these bitchy labels
vinyl fucking kills mp3.
shit…mireda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
no jodas.
ahk just tell em to fuck off!
they should come here and talk to us… that would solve the problem because:
we buy there music and we visit there concerts and parties.
Bullshit. Keep the wki going up.
i need to know other sites like here pls
me too!! if u can, people, share other similar sites !!
and do not think about closing down wki!
i repeat! do not!
winjard is right , we do support all these labels and their artists by buying their music and mainly by going to their parties and stf!
yes me too.. but, w-ki is such a great site..
keep up the good work guys
I would buy their cd’s and vinyls with pleasure…But where should I get them?From the supermarket across the street??It’s hard to get them you know,and since I live in Romania it’s HARDER!!!
Man you live in Romania,but what i can tell im leaving in macedonia.Where i can find these realeses and i dont talking about our wages who are no more then 200 euros(this is good sallary).
this is real bullshit. and you guys need to make a real announcement about this since everyone here, are not pirates, we are all lovers and supporters of electronic music. i belive that a serious percent of w-ki users are DJ’s too. i can not understand labels trying to stop us from making ads for them. we play their music in clubs and in sessions and parties. and not everybody gets a chance to buy all vinyl stuff or not everyone has got the finances for it. if labels like kompakt, get pyhsical, bpitch, minus, cocoon are formed by pure music lovers then they should have no problem sharing us their music and spreading them all over the world. i didnt know about the labels before p2p and sharing -cause people tend to archive music in labels directory- i only knew the artists, and if i were a label owner i wouldnt be sorry for seing my labels name everywhere, i would worry about how to get the vinlys all around the world, because once you know the labels name you can get pretty good links of artists that they own and download / purchase / share more of their stuff.
Lets be honest and don’t react childish. Argue on a proper manner.
1) Yes this is piracy
2) Yes this is site where you discover a lot of artists
3) Yes, I buy the artist when I really love him.
For example, I discovered Pantha Du Prince. A month later, I was still a fan; now I buy everything from him. Thanks who? Thanks to w-ki.
Others: Efdemin, Dusty Kid, Connaiseur Recordings, DIAL,..
4) When w-ki won’t exist in the future I will not notice remarkable artists on such a speed tempo. So I will buy less
Resumé: When we like it, we buy it. When we hate it, we don’t buy it. We discover on this site more songs we like…[Fill in the next sentence]
isn’t it kind of sad if you’re really relying on p2p, blogs, and wikis to get to know new music? this is not the labels fault. it’s yours. go to your record dealer, buy magazines, ask your local djs, talk to your friends! how do you think people get to know new artists 10 years ago?
i get it: the internet is providing us all with great possibilities. still, without the labels, there would be no sites like this one here. the labels and (even more importantly) the artists have to sell their stuff, they need that money — especially the small ones that are represented here.
i feel for you guys, i really do. giving stuff away often at very high quality, might be sort of an appetizer for some of you. but for the vast majority it’s just one thing: getting something for nothing. in other words: taking it away from the artists. i can live with that if its (like mentioned above) madonna or britney, but here you actually deal with artists who in fact need the physical sales.
I totally can understand. it´s their music and you have to respect that. sure you can discover new acts on this site, but it simply is fucking up labels plans if you put stuff on the site before relese. and I dont think that anyone here is buying the mp3 on beatport after downloading it here..
beatFM, nowaday, aren’t the artists getting more money and gigs than 10 years ago?
i really think there should be some sort of understanding between w-ki and the labels to get something done and keep promoting the music, may be just to give a percentage of downloads that wont affect the sales and still give the chance to hear before you buy, for me its a real helper because i live in mexico and getting vinyl here its almost impossible and really expensive since all the good stuff comes from europe. i have this sorts out in a good way. my two cents.
i definitely buy stuff i like on here.
it’s like going to the record store… but more illegal.
Delivering new stuff in very high quality really i think is a stupid thing. When you think “its for promotional and preview purposes only” then you don’t need of high quality of the digital artist’s music before buying it. You’ll realize if its good or bad in a enough 128/192kbps mp3 listening. Well, the most will disagree with me.
ive seen such an alarming increase in minimal djs - serato/traktor etc
wonder where they their mp3s? what happens if the computer breaksdown and
they dunno how to spin vinyl, cue things up without digital read outs?
cds will become obsolete, music will be free, not a career. vinyl though will
always be around.
this is just my opinion
i get some my mp3s here, mess about with them, but i wouldnt even attempt to dj
with these vinyl rips :/
come on minus etc, p2p is the “cost of doing business” in your industry. on the other hand, you fly your djs around Europe in all those cheap EasyJet flights, doing gigs for one night and then leaving the country.
this enables you to make more money playing live, so stop bitching about our quality releases here.
ricardoo:
“beatFM, nowaday, aren’t the artists getting more money and gigs than 10 years ago?”
i don’t think so. i’m not in but related to the business and some of my friends are producers and djs. they are not like the-next-big-thing, but some of you would probably know them. i know they’re struggling to make an effort with their art. you know there is villalobos and hawtin and those guys. clearly they are making good money. and in my opinion they desrve it. but then there is this huge amount of well-known but nonetheless badly paid artists who actualy cannot live from their music alone.
also 10 years ago this flood of releases would not have come to one’s mind. today there are thousand of labels and thousand of producers. just look at all the new up-and-coming dubstep labels. so there is a huge amount of pressure and rivalry amongst the artists and labels. maybe they have two catalogue numbers out so far and yet they are here free to download. yes, this is exciting. of course. but keep in mind, that if anyone would dowload their stuff, there are not much releases to come future-wise.
“free advertising”? this is ridiculous. if you want to promote music, why offer high quality mp3s? 128 kbit/s is good enough for “promotion”. why not just stream it? you can get free software for this anywhere. why is there no editorial whatsoever? w-ki is a bunch of hypocrites.
there are a lot of good music blogs that actually get in touch with the labels you are bitching about in order to establish/maintain a relationship that’s healthy for both sides. this here, my friends, is plain piracy. if you make anything better at all, it’s for yourselves and not for the artists you pretend to promote, when you are actually ripping them off.
i use this site as it has introduced me to a lot of cool artists who if i like i will support them buy buying there records , music is art and should be free for all to share , if i like that piece of art i will buy it as a material possession like vinyl and not as a bunch of data like mp3.
i don’t think anybody who uses the site is making a financial profit so what is the problem ?
you can shut wiki down but more sites will pop up in its place , you will never be able to stop piracy as long as the music is being produced.
w-ki is the future of music . .. and it will remain OK without any problem. labels and the way musicians make there money is about to change. that is all and they dont want to admit this .making music is overrated, musicians have had it way too easy for the last couple of decades and know they just might consider getting jobs like the rest of us . . then only those who have real talent shall survive. not labels . not recordings . the future of music is what we will make it . .and we come together here at w-ki. musicians Djs and fans alike all audiophiles.
MAMAN!
OK Fuck Kompakt, Get Physical, Bpitch Control, Cocoon, etc they are all a bunch of penny pinching bastards. Fabric for example makes more money in one single weekend than most people that use this site will ever have the fortune too see let alone earn.
I live in London I’m from London but the majority of us here are from the eastern block and can’t afford 100 euros for a fucking 12-inch import or even a download from those cocksuckers Beatport, FUCK BEATPORT with sugar on top, for example Bookashade will say in an interview in German or with a German accent “ohhhhh we played such an great set in Russia the crowd really loved us, they knew all the songs! Even though they fucked us with the Berlin wall back in the day, we love them, we love Russia” BULLSHIT!
How the fuck do you think they got to know about your music in Russia? I will tell you! Some cool-cat Russian pirate Mp3 DJ named Crazy Ivan for example downloaded your tracks for free from W-ki so he could buy a laptop with money he saved played those tracks on the radio show, in the Russian underground clubs booming it out of his car etc etc. He did all that promotion and got paid peanuts if anything doing it then “shit would not melt in their mouths” Bookashade get a first class flight to Moscow a 5 Star Hotel, then they get to play in the best fucking club in Moscow, that your average russian DJ is not even allowed into let alone to play at, Bookashade get $10,000 us dollars/euros for the privilege also in the process get the opportunity to take back to the 5-star hotel some of Russia’s top rated DJ dirty filthy slut whore’s and get do all kinds of depraved sex acts to them while high on the FREE drugs, yes I said FREE Drugs all of them are cokeheads, ALL OF THEM! they got at the club and after all that cool shit sex, drugs more drugs and some russian fox babe snorting a line of your dick! They get to do it all over again the next day in Brazil and we all know what goes on in Brazil, then they have fucking nerve to complain, Get the fuck out here you motherfuckers!
Oh and Beatport for example will not let anybody new on the site did you know that? so all the non pirate moral supporters here shut the fuck up this the best place to hear new music, to be honest with you i do not want to see any more posts from the labels mentioned above cause it’s all the same boring crap over and over again kick drums and claps “What happened to the music, what happened to the underground” and the day W-Ki goes down 10 more sites will take it’s place those labels are stupid or indeed smart it’s one of the two!
Thats all I have to say about that and M_nus? Fuck Ritchie Hawtin he is a faggot I’m not a homophobe at all and I actually think he is an intelligent fellow but he is a little pussy women, now i got go spank out to some dirty Russian porn that I just downloaded for free so catch you on the flip-side brothers and sisters PUMP UP THE VOLUME, DANCE, DANCE! x
“Money never made a man happy yet, nor will it. The more a man has, the more he wants. Instead of filling a vacuum, it makes one.” Benjamin Franklin
I spend as much money as I could possibly afford on music, and have pretty much been in debt my whole life as result of supporting the music I love. This site has introduced me to dozens of artists, many on the labels mentioned, whose work I have now been collecting on vinyl, as well as introducing them to many friends - in addition some of us have since travelled to Berlin to visit club nights from two of the labels mentioned. So they’re doing alright out of us - and it’s thanks to w-ki. I don’t have any issue with downloading as much music as I can possibly lay my hands on as it only fuels my financial and personal support of the things I love.
I don’t begrudge people from trying to stop it from happening, as long as they don’t try and punish me, then they’re welcome to try and stop me. I’d try and stop me, I suppose. But you can’t stop the turning of the tide!
Asi pincharan menos sus discos y tendran menos promocion, no me sorprenderia que aparecieran remixes de britney y madonna
i have a few questions 4 u Mr label owner/ Mr DJ superstar?
What about the countries like Macedonia, Romania, Serbia, Bulgaria etc where the average wage per month is no more than 200-300 euros ? What r those fans/djs supposed to do? Stop listening to this music because they cannot afford it….while at the same time djs come to their countries for massive gigs and play dj sets comprising of other djs tracks ( without any permission to do so)…
Djs can play others djs tracks in public for commercial purpose (making $$$) but fans cannot share music? This is a rather interesting way for Djs to apply copyright law, isn’t it, haha! And When exactly djs started caring about copyrights that much?
This is a horrendous act of disrespect towards electronic music fans…an act of hypocrisy and greed….
We though that electronic music is the music of the future….that this music will change the whole industry…instead of that what we ve just witnessed today is nothing but a result of bad PR decisions of some Pop-Stars wannabes….
What a shame!!!!
jajaja
well its like we have to support the artist men
but give me the 20 euros for the vynils
give me the almost 350 mexican pesos almost 25 euros and 33 dollars
then i will buy their music better
at least from most of sites i see w-ki a more serious site than the others
now in other words i think then i will put pressure on the artist
for playing my tracks in their dj set
lol
its like NO and NO because first of all they dont play my tracks :P
and second they promote me but what better promotion than w-ki
example: Netlabel minisome releases all their musik here
because of all
in resume
i think
this is like Penn & Teller will say
BULLSHIT!!
well for those pussies who claim that this is piracy and we shouldnt be sharing music with people, FUCK YOU and GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE, then you can feel good about not doing this. and dont forget to clean out your PC from those mp3’s that you’ve not purchased from fucking itunes or beatport till now.
i can discover music where the fuck i want, when the fuck i want. i can go to a music store or buy dj mags and still go online and download the stuff to hear before buying it. i dont care how people did this 10 years ago and i dont care they didnt even have record players in 1906, this is about our time and as long as i dont sell (or publish in CD’s / vinlys) what i download from world wide web, i’ll kick anybodys ass who calls me a pirate.
[b]its disrespectfull to all electronic music listeners and supporters to claim such a horrible assumption. these and any other labels should look around and think who would know / hear / listen their music if WE didnt tell about and WE didnt double click on that awesome song we just found to our friends and their friends and so on. people can / will only buy stuff that they like nowadays. fuck you too if you’ve got a problem with that and fuck the feeling of badly spent money on crap music i’ve purchased till now.[/b]
Is there any artist or genre of music that you’re excited about at the moment?
(I’d say all the stuff I buy or play as a DJ- I don’t play Techno that much anymore because good releases are hard to find- most of the time it’s just the same sound being done over & over again, like it did with Trance before. Border Community is one of the labels that I think is doing something good- y’know, James Holden- and some music like his, maybe a bit harder….. I can’t think of any other names right now, I’d have to look through my collection!)
You’re quoted in an interview at the beginning of this year saying that a number of label & distributors you’d previously had productions released through had recently gone bankrupt, and that you held little hope for the future of Electronic Music except for blatantly commercially-orientated material. Has your opinion changed after 12 months?
(Uh….. I didn’t say that I didn’t see any future for Electronic Music, I think somebody asked me about the future of Trance & I said no way, it’s going to finish, and Techno is almost finished as well- the harder stuff, because there’s no development forward & that’s the main problem. How do people get into Electronic Music? Years ago, you had to go to a club & maybe there was something on the radio….. and today, in every stupid commercial you have some kind of Electronic song! There has to be something else- if you go to club, you want to hear something different than you hear everywhere else….. I think that’s why a lot of people stopped paying money for music because it doesn’t sound fresh & they don’t go out to clubs anymore- they don’t want to see a DJ that plays the same stuff as the last 100 they saw before….. but I’m a lot more enthusiastic now, because I can see & hear some genuinely new material coming through, and not just fusions of other genres.)
()oliver lieb 2004
that must have been some private tracker admins who want to control the world!
t apoyo men t apoyo full
what the fuck r they doing messing with w-ki?
the people who are going to buy vinyl will always buy vinyl.
those who download from this site either buy the vinyl after listening, or don’t. those who like what they hear on this site will, in all probability, pay some ungodly cover to hear these people spin their records or do a live PA set. let’s be honest: as much as i love the producers who are featured frequently on w-ki, it costs them very little to make the music or to tour with whatever they want to bring along. they are then paid nice sums of money to play sets in europe (where there is a high demand for their performances), eastern asia, and sometimes north and south america. many of the artists on the aforementioned labels live a jetsetter’s life: constantly gigging and getting nice meals, lodging, and drinks gratis. it seems impossible that w-ki is hurting the livelihood of dance music producers, given the little they already make on the actual music (unless they are ed banger). in my humble opinion, it is doing the contrary by exposing consumers to this music, especially the people in north america, who have the least exposure to the stuff. i didn’t know yapacc or pan-pot until w-ki. they will still probably never play nyc. and yes, i agree with the above statements about the listeners who come from economically disadvantaged areas of europe. to djs/producers: the site is helping you out. it is promoting your music in places you haven’t traveled to yet. it is increasing your popularity in places you have only a slight fanbase in. everyone is aware that live music is the way of the future within the mp3 context.
let them have the tracks. they will pay you later.
i really cant believe what some of you are stating here.. seems to be a huge lack of understanding. most of the labels who have ben posted here are not super rich labels which shouldnt care about a few unpaid mp3s… you´re always talking about the 5 big ones minus, physical, etc.. but 90% of the scene is based on small labels and producers who are just getting enough share out of their work to survive. while you are putting their work online before the fucking release date, less people are buying it. basta.
then: tour and dj business has not necessarily something to do with label work. while most djs do live off their booking fees, the labels are still dependent on music sales, which, again, go down if nerds like you put their music online and claiming doing it for “freedom of speach” purposes. haha.
a good blog is WRITING about music, that´s the point. a good blog is cooperating with labels, gets some freee tunes, links to labels websites where you can listen to the stuff, etc.. soo many possibilities. but you are sittig on your lazy ass claiming this is the only way for you to get new music. poor kids. with your musical education you are not part of this scene.
and now: who´s putting on the new minus first, has the biggest dick. go!
r there other blog like that?
lol, you are my hero…
The only thing musicians in medieval times got for being good, were bones with some flesh on it from the kings table….;-)
shutdown this site and ppl will just move on…and i will still buy my vinyls…the labels ranting will just lead to ppl NOT buying stuff off those labels…
fuck,everybody seems to be right in here.i would be very happy if my music was all around the web so easy and so many people has the chance to listen and somebody plays my track to mexico or east europe.but..i m not a professional its different to have this romantic approach to music just for the art and fun ,just for the music.hmmm i dont know ..and those who complain are the guys taking the big(are they?) money..or at least they do better than others.its greed? But you cant count on people ’s kindness everybody likes to get a 320 kbs mp3 for free.like radiohead they said give as much as you want for the album ,god …in our days you have to be idiot to pay for something you can have for free.and its not our fault when everything is sooo expensive..radiohead printed original cd s after all…maybe 128 or 192 kbps is a way to promote only..but i wouldn t downloaded at all……hehe.so maybe free sharing is a kind of revolution against expensive life they serve us but ok…compact and minus are not the face of capitalism ,there are plenty of others that suck our blood…we buy some records we download the rest…..if we couldn’t download we would buy the same records..never listened to the rest…fuck i dont know let it be…
BeatFM,I guess you didn’t read what I wrote!!!!!WHAT FUCKING RECORD STORE,MAGAZINE,WHAT FUCKING DJ SHOULD I TALK TO??????Like I said,where should I buy the releases,form my FUCKING SUPERMARKET ACROSS THE STREET???????I live in a small town with no real posibility of discovering real music other than TV crap and the ones you hear on the radio (that is one station,wich plays songs from the 90’s and 4-5 song that are at the top of the chart on MTV the whole month!).So let me ask you this,if I live in such an environment should I not be allowed to discover this kind of music?I admit it,it’s piracy!But excuse me for loving music and having no other alternative!What the fuck I listen this music,I don’t go and sell it!Fuck these labels,they WERE great at a time,now they are pretty lame!
Another prove i’m promoting artists I really love (and in my country only a happy few know for example Pantha du Prince)
This is wat I posted on facebook
You posted a link
at 9:33pm Dec 28.
Pantha Du Prince - This Bliss
http://www.discogs.com/release...
Go to your record shop. Buy the album.
You will be thankful.
Just do it.
(i am waiting for someone to bring up the environmental impact of dance music/vinyl…tee-hee)
whatthefuckever….
In my opinion there are just too many records being released. It seems like it is no problem at all to release music. I’m speaking of the (minimal) techno scene here, where every other producer founds his own label and throws heaps of boring, average techno records on the market day by day. If it’s not being sold, then please just don’t produce those masses. Concentrate on less, but quality music that DJs definitively are gonna buy.
And of course don’t forget how much you earn every weekend at your gigs.
lets do an experiment with the labels and shut w-ki down for a while and after a period of time see how the labels sales change , i don’t think you will see any difference ! the big labels are killing of the scene anyway as they are just in it for the money now, they will kill the music we all love by bringing it from the underground to the masses and then it will be commercial, it has already started that’s why the artist are struggling as there is more choice nowadays for people to listen to. just keep things how they are now and everyone will be OK
It’s like all the money that i could possibly afford to spend on music goes to artists such as those who are promoted here, via their live shows, and then from time to time, i also buy an album. If w-ki went away, i wouldn’t have any more money for the records than I do already, but I also wouldn’t hear so much great stuff and so I wouldn’t find myself spending as much as $30 a show to see these artists play these fucking records. The labels obviously suffer at least a bit in this equation, but honestly i am looking to support these artists, not the elitists guarding the golden door with all the groupies behind it. the artists could forget about vinyl, release their shit themselves over the internet, and probably see a much higher return on their “record” sales. but they don’t, except for “geniuses” like radioass.
Sorry guys, file sharing is the future. it’s not going away. period. embrace it. this is techno music, we are supposed to be producing culture with technology… might as well embrace the latest trends. And no, selling albums for $16 a pop on beatport is not the latest trend… that’s some ass-backwards shit.
BTW, the new Autechre album was released via bleep yesterday (a whole month early). I bought that with no regrets. But it’s all part of the package… Early release, high quality, art work, and only $10. cut the price to $1, give it all to the artists, and you’ll probably see me shelling out at least $20 a week for your “records”, i.e. invisible fucking files that couldnt cost more than a few cents in bandwidth, and were made in the first place with a pirated copy of Ableton Live. GET WITH THE PROGRAM, FILE SHARING IS THE FUTURE, DON’T FIGHT IT, JOIN IT. SET UP DONATION BOXES, ETC, WAYS OF GETTING MONEY DIRECTLY FROM THE FANS WITHOUT THIS IDIOTIC PRETENSION THAT YOU’RE DOING US A FAVOR BY CHARGING $16 FOR 10 FUCKING FILES THAT I CAN GET VIA GOOGLE FOR FREE PROVIDED I MERELY TYPE IN THE WORDS “RAPIDSHARE “STUPID FUCKING ARTIST” “DUMB FUCKING ALBUM”" OH YEAH, AND WORK TO BRING DOWN DOOR PRICES AT CLUBS, IT FUCKING SUCKS.
Oh yeah, and also, I’ve bought all of Ellen Allien’s albums, seen her live like 5 times, and despite all of that, her fashion line FUCKING SUCKS.
No jodan cabron!!! si no les gusta lo que ven aqui, no se metan! hehehehe =)
One more reason for listen only musik from netlabels
I just read all of you guys..
one thing for sure, we all love music.. and the less it costs, the more we get involve with it, the more we listen to it, the more we play it..
there are ethic, environmental, legal issues.. but its how its been for over 10 years now… nothing has changed, and not much will.. even if u shut w-ki down…
ok, big labels are not affected that much.. but small ones are not either! i ve discovered many “small” artists from here, and thats great!
i discuss about them with friends, and when i find out where they play i will go and listen to them.. isn’t that what they like, isn’t that what we all like.. for others to get to hear our music, and come and hear us playing live..?
i know “small” djs that get 300 euros a night.. and thats good money.. ok its not 10,000 for a 2hr gig(!), but its hell lot more than i get, and i don.t play music for living.. i wish! ;P
why has money become the outer cell of everything..? this is about music people.. its about feelings..
so let w-ki be !
we all saw it coming… right?
there will be other pages, love w-ki, great job einha and all!! thanks for everything. wiki forever!!